Regional Semifinals at Arlington
Class B — Bronxville 4, Spackenkill 2 (Lucy Kohlhoff — three goals, Killian Donohue — one goal and two assists)
Class A —Cornwall 2, Pearl River 1 (Casey Walsh scored)
Class C — S.S. Seward 3, Haldane 0
Tough break Pirates…Congratulations on a great season!
Cornwall is lucky that they got to play the pirates on the day they did…clearly pearl river was tired after playing 110 physically demanding minutes the night before..that said congratulations to the pirates on an amazing season and good luck to cornwall in the following stages
cornwall was not lucky , they were well coached and a very skilled team that deserves to move on. it was a great game and a great season by the mighty pirates of pearl river. it was alot to ask of the pearl river girls to play somers at home for 110 minutes then 12 hours later get on a bus to play the state tourney , but thats the way it was and as a parent of a pearl river player i could not be more proud of the way this group of kids played the sport and represented their section, school and families. tired or not casey walsh continued to be the most un stoppable forward i`ve seen in years. fighting double and triple teams all year. go pirates.
where is casey walsh playing in college?
i believe still undecided. like i said in an earlier post she is the best kept secret in section one. big , strong , skilled , great vision. she`ll fall into some coaches lap and make that school proud too.
pr’s offense generated by marissa scogs and casey walsh all year. most of the time it was assist scogs, goal walsh. however way you look, those two were always involved in every goal all year.
annie white, amanda de courcy, caitlin noonan and girls like woods egan and madigan were also huge parts. the whole defense and freshmen keeper gallagher were rock solid in post season
congrats on a great season pirates
Tough turnaround for Arlington also, they went down 2-nil to Washingtonville. Congratulations on a fine season. That leaves the Broncos to carry the Section 1 banner. Good luck Tuesday!
Where’s anyone going to play in college next fall ?
Upstate- Not many girls from Section 1 will play in college. Right now only 4 or 5 girls from the class of 2013 are listed on one of the recruiting sites that keeps track of commitments: sites.google.com/site/soccerrecruits – You can check here to see if you know any players. They are listed by hometown and club, not high school. Perhaps another 15 or 20 will wind up at D3 schools. High School soccer is not the pool from which college players are drawn.
NSSoccerDad – great point on where college players are drawn from. The demise of High school soccer will continue as the Academy teams continue to be the focus. I watched in horror as 3 girls from Pearl River left there State Regional game at halftime for an Academy game.
I do not know if demise is the right word, but it is true that girls who are serious about football play at a much higher level. I am curious as to where anyone who left may have been playing on Saturday and who they might have been. Judging from the commitment list, I do not think any 2013’s where involved. Girls do not play on “academy” teams like boys do and all of the serious programs are almost completely shut down for the high school season. The next significant tournament is not until Thanksgiving. The goal scorers for Washingtonville were available later in the day to play against Arlington; they are ECNL players and they did not have any other commitments.
Girls who left at halftime were a 13 & a 14 year old heading to a “mandatory” ECNL loeague game 2 1/2 hours away in New Jersey against PDA. btw, I believe PDA U-14 is ranked #1 in the US.
U-15 through u-18 don’t play a fall scedule, for precisely this reason. U-14 does, b/c they don’t expect 8th graders to be starting on varsity. Tough position for a 13 or 14 year old to be in.
Congratulations on a magical ride PR.
Are there any “Academy” girls teams at all ?
PR Soccer you are correct about the younger girls, it is a shame the weather pushed that game into the weekend. The best soccer players will face these decision their whole HS careers, especially if they play other sports. I hope they are lucky enough to have coaches that understand the big picture and do not have to deal with any ego-maniacs who think it is about them. I wish them luck. In defense of their decision if football is their passion, ECNL is one of the serious paths to D1 soccer.
Up State their are no “Academy” teams per se for girls. The teams you mentioned WC, PDA Albertson (ECNL) Patriots (Region 1 Premier) Quickstrike (Super Y) and Middlepath (?) all play in 9-10 month national or regional leagues and major tournaments that attempt to get their girls in front of college coaches. This has to take place outside of the college soccer season so that the college coaches have time to watch upcoming players. I am familar with the ECNL and it is something to see, coaches SRO on the sidelines looking for sophmores and juniors to begin the recruiting process. No doubt a few freshman will also pop up on the coaches radars as well. The competition is fierce. There are probably not enough talented girls or more importantly, commercial viability to run an academy system such as the boys which is pretty much based on the European club model
sorry to say guys but if you except a position on a team you should not leave them high and dry for any reason. if your travel team plays a fall schedule don`t except a varsity spot. I know high school soccer is mid level at best , but we need to teach life lessons to our kids too. “do not bail on your team mates”, should be a life lesson worth teaching!!!
They did not bail, then went to New Jersey to be with their team mates.
NSSoccerDad- what are your credentials? you seem to have a lot of information about local soccer
hudsonvalley – The college recruitment process is is a minefield, you have to be informed or be left behind. Thank God my wife worked like a dog at it.
If a HS team has “Academy-type” or “Region 1-type” players on it’s team, the coach is obviously aware of that.
The coach has to make his/her choice and be clear about it to the ‘remaining’ players.
Option A – Tell the player – no room for you at all; good luck with your TT.
Option B – Tell the player – we’ll take you when you’re available.
Option C – Tell the player – we’ll take you; but we will penalize you for missing anything.
The player/parents will make their decision on their perceived level of their player and the advantage or disadvantage of sticking with the TT.
Other options I may be missing ?
Two things to consider.
First the term travel team is being missed used. A “travel team” is usually a town or rec team that travels locally and is comprised of players who are only marginally more talented than the players on rec teams. An ECNL or Region 1 team is made up of players in the very top tier of players. Starting in sophomore year, coaches of top programs from all around the country, begin to follow the girls on these teams. While they do travel, from Boston to San Diego, they can hardly be called travel teams.
Second, the job of high schools is to support the development of students academically, socially and athletically. What are the role of school teams? I think this varies from school to school. Programs that cut a large number of girls, out of fairness, should probably establish a strict relationship with girls who have other commitments. Programs that need players to adequately fill their rosters should show greater flexibility. There should be some flexibility in all situations however, this is high school not the English Premier League. Schools tailor instruction to fit the needs of their students. High school athletics are just an adjunct of the classroom.
Now what if you have a situation where a coach wants or needs a talented player and she is available 95% of the time, she will help the team and there are not any significant conflicts between the two teams schedules? Things are going great and then there is a devastating hurricane and a nor’easter that upset the arrangement? What should happen then? Should a 13 or 14 year-old have to bear the whole weight of Orange and Rockland or NYSEG not being able to turn the lights back on? In my experience, her teammates root for her. I hope the adults wish her the greatest success.
....TT was just a quick ‘symbol’ of “Academy-type” or “Region 1-type” teams used in this discussion… (easier to type)
....was hoping that—pirate4ever—or— hudsonvalley—would contribute more…
PS …thanks for the link…too bad it didn’t ‘sort’ better…there used to be a website “soccerbuzz.com” that really was great
nssoccerdad, wow seems like your drinking the kool aid these elite leagues are selling. while it`s great kids have a way to get to the level of play they want , there are more and more ” high level ” programs and leagues, all touted as the best, and only so many kids to play in them. These travel teams , yes i said travel teams , deserve commitment as does any team , including a high school team. So for the ECNL`ers of the world to act as if these players are some sort of soccer royalty is strange and a smack in the face of the team mates they bail on. when a league game becomes more important then a state game stay off the high school team and enjoy your travel team , don`t act as if your entitled to let people down because you pay big bucks to travel the country playing soccer.
Of course there are those parents who cannot take joy in a child from the community excelling at something.
you can excel at something without feeling entitled. I take great joy in watching these kids play the game, but crazy soccer parents are becoming such an epidemic that they don`t even see how wrong they are ! I do not take joy in watching a group of kids work extremely hard for their school , community , and team mates and then have to watch a couple of their team mates walk off the field, in the biggest game of their season, to represent themselves. You act as if the high school team is insignificant , well it`s not. the champion pirates of pearl river have made memories that will last a life time. Don`t think i am against high level soccer. I was part of a champion super Y team which was loaded with players that moved on to D-1 ,and 2 still play professionally ,so i am all for these teams and the girls chasing their dreams . I`m just saying if you are so good that high school does not deserve your respect then stay off the pitch !!
Guys, how about we go to the academy players not playing HS like the boys do and call it a day. This way the nonsense about what level of play at the travel/ecnl gets eliminated. As coaches mostly have the attitude when players accept a jersey they play for the season. Let’s not confuse the players here, commitment is the most important for the player/parent to understand, whether a hurricane comes or not. You play till the last day, and if there is a conflict, you choose the school team till they lose. If coaches are allowing the players to miss, they will have a tough time getting respect from other players and will “lose” their team. Ecnl has great soccer, but so does higher level travel teams that showcase and play in jags/Epl/rpl/npl. Sometimes great players play on these teams bc they don’t want to have soccer as their life or don’t have the money. Let’s not get crazy with this ecnl business as it probably inflates the players heads. Root the players on and keep them in check
“Keep them in check”??????????.........Like fleas?
I am a college player, I graduated from high school two years ago and still have a younger sister in high school, playing for the same club I once did. I played in NERP for three years and it got me to the level I am playing out now. As a three sport athlete and a NERP player, I was constantly choosing between what practices I had to miss to go to another practice and thankfully all my coaches were understanding. I do not think that high school soccer should take priority over a top notch tournament such as Betheseda (which I believe was last weekend). Yes, if a perspective college coach hear’s that a top recruit has made it into sectional, regional, or state finals, he will miss the tournament to go to that one specific game; so that girl does not need to leave her varsity squad behind. Unfortunately, it is not necessarily turning your back on your high school team when you need to leave that big game to go to a tournament or NERP game, but if it means that you are going to get more exposure at the other venues, then that is what the player needs to do. I had to deal with many difficult decisions, but honestly I think all the responsibility that soccer has instilled on me from such a young age, has made me into the successful person I am today. Let the girls play and do what they think is right, it is high school ball. It really upsets me to see all these parents on here commenting and arguing and throwing their two cents in about everything. I did the whole recruiting process 100% by myself, no help from my parents. It is a fantastic learning experience and any girl who needs to go through it definitely benefits from it in the long run, give your girls the chance to learn by themselves; I promise you they’ll thank you for letting them do it themselves and having you be there for support.
hudsonvalley – gets it.
IF you feel you are scholarship quality – you need to make the choice for your future.
If you are a decent travel player with no desire to play in college – stay and play the HS game….great memories AND you’ll still go to college wherever….the HS game will have zero effect on that ultimate choice.
Having the player ‘do it by herself’ (recruiting) ???
Usually not a good choice.
Help your kids – it’s kinda of a ‘small window’
If a coach feels he/she will ‘lose the team’ because they allow a “top shelf player play part time” – then don’t let her be on the HS team.
That player will usually be the key (or one of the keys) for that team to win anything at all…that player likely already has trophies/championship galore….they really don’t need another.
It’s the ‘lesser’ players that need/want the trophy more…they NEED the top shelf player to secure the trophy for them (at a ‘cost’ to the top shelf player by missing a showcase that THEY need)
Bit of a ramble – but who NEEDS who and why ???
You guys just can`t see the “it`s all abourt me ” attitude you are teaching and actually believe is the way to be. “the high school team NEEDS my daughter”, ” I need to be recruited so i`ll ditch my team for me”. If the high school game and the chance to play with your peers means nothing then why be on the team. I am sure you will not be missed as much as you believe !!!! I am not some non athlete talking crap either , i was a highly recruited D-1 athlete and high school all american in my sport back in the late 70`s, so i come from a point of knowledge also.
And I am sure you walked 5 miles to school, in the snow, barefoot, up hill both ways…Maybe, just maybe, high school sports are different 35 years later.
pirate4ever you are right on the money. Leaving a state playoff game so you can play in a travel game is about as selfish as you can get!!! You have all these other kids especially the seniors trying for a state championship which you do not get a shot at very often and you leave your team!!! The girls who left were apparently 8th and ninth graders. If they are Division 1 good they have plenty of years and travel games to be seen at. The parents should be ashamed of themselves for taking them away. They let the whole school and community down. Pearl river has been through a lot and these girls were picking the spirit of the whole town up. When you commit to a HS soccer team everybody sacrifices. Missing a travel soccer game as an 8th or 9th grader is not a big sacrifice for a chance at a STATE Championship. Commitment and accountability is not that important I guess!
The team (lesser players) NEEDS them?
So the better player should give up ‘showcase’ opportunities that help themselves; in favor of going out to win one for the ‘rest of the girls’ ?
I think ‘not’.
Who’s being selfish here ???
(the 8th and 9th grade factor does weaken my support, though)
On a grander scale – when a college athlete gets an invite to tryout for the National or Olympic squads – they leave college schedule if need be….
”...chance to play with your peers means nothing …”
It likely means quite a bit; however a choice has to be made….the balance of the HS teammates will likely do nothing at all for the future of those player(s) in question.
She/they need to make a choice in their best interest – not the ‘second string’ on their HS team.
Sorry – choices have to be made.
No one else is going to help those players in question….no one else.
upstate , you might just be too young to get it or you are sticking up for a way of life you chose. Either way you are wrong. there are many show cases and only one run at a state championship. No college coach is recruiting eighth graders either !!! You say choices have to be made The choice of not taking up a roster spot should have been made so a person who cares could take that spot. I`m done with this .
To the no it all NSSoccer dad, i guess sports are different 35 years later because when we played we gave everything for the team and did not have our eye on scholarships , just championships. sports has also changed in the fact that there are so many no it all parents like yourself ,who obviously never played sports at a high level , medling in every aspect of their kids sports life as if they are getting some recognition, or glory through,their kid. get off your kids back !!!! let them enjoy their sports life a little .
That would be “know” it all. Just like some how you know what level of sports I played and how I treat my children. But shame on me for thinking so poorly of someone so noble. Imagine your only concern was championships. Such purity. How did that D-1 career work out? Oh that is right, you are pirate4ever. No worry, you can still hang out with the college grads.
NSSoccerDad/pirate4ever – Keep it civil. It’s not about the 2 of you.
If you re-read the posts you’ll see that the 2 girls that left played in a regular ECNL league game, not a showcase. So apparently playing for a shot at a State Championship isn’t that important to these girls or their parents. I’d like to ask the same question to the seniors Scognamiglio, Walsh, Gallagher, Noonan…etc how they felt watching an 8th grader and a freshman walk away from a 1-0 game at halftime. It’s a disgrace and if I was the coach, I wouldn’t take either girl back next year, go train with your ECNL team in the Fall
If you are that worried about your future career then play Travel full time and you won’t let the “Second Stringers” or as upState calls them “lesser Players” down. These “second strigers” or “lesser players”also worked hard giving up a good portion of there summer and practicing everyday. Sorry they are not division one players just hard working high school kids. Some day instead of telling their kids they were State Champions they can tell them “I Played with that girl who played division 1 college”
And most of them will not even play in college or are d3 players.
PR Parent – I apologize, you are absolutely correct it is not about me or any other adult. It is about young people looking for the path that suits them best. High School sports are a part of high school, not a separate quest to be pursued above everything else. That is why there are co-champions, it is not critical to expend every ounce of energy to find out who is the “best.” The goals is to produce graduates who achieve more in life than a state title. Further, instruction in the classroom is modified and differentiated to meet the myriad needs of different students; athletics is an extension of the classroom and should also manifest this basic philosophy of education. If any of the play or quit posters will say that every student should receive the identical instruction in the class room regardless of need, ability or learning style, I will say that the best players should be arbitrarily denied access to this important aspect of the education experience.
P.S. Congratulations to Taylor Otto, a freshman who just committed to UNC
PRparent thanks for the post, you are absolutely correct and i`m sorry for rambling on about this topic , but it hit home for some reason. Maybe because so many parents are teaching bad values. whatever – i`m done. Go Pirates.
To the no it all (S/B Know-it-all) NSSoccer dad, i guess sports are different 35 years later because when we played we gave everything for the team and did not have our eye on scholarships , just championships.
Not everyone can pay full-freight for college; potential scholarships or preferential admission benefits can be invaluable for many, many student/athletes.
parents like yourself ,who obviously never played sports at a high level
***Note to p4e :
Don’t bet the mortgage payment that you played college ball at a higher level than NNS or myself.
FWIW – In my case – this is/was my primary sport.
medling in every aspect of their kids sports life as if they are getting some recognition, or glory through,their kid. get off your kids back !!!!
***Obviously – your level of ‘cluelessness’ is borderline hysterical.
let them enjoy their sports life a little .
The choice of not taking up a roster spot should have been made so a person who cares could take that spot.
***That is clearly a coaching decision; not parents’ on said teams
If we’re complaining about the better players ‘missing’ a game; that would provide a fantastic opportunity for a ‘lesser player’ to step up and ‘win the Championship’.
THAT would be un-selfish on the missing players behalf !...giving someone else the chance to shine !
...or is it truly more selfish that parents of the ‘lesser’ players are mad that the ‘missing players’ aren’t there to get their kids a trophy ?
I’m guessing that the ‘missing players’ were critical factors in actually getting to that level of the Tournament…by keeping them off the team from the beginning of the season; the team wouldn’t likely have been successful enough to even discuss being at this level of the Tournament.
IMHO – your coach took the option that basically said….we’ll take you when we can; we’ll then try to do out best without you (but we’d really love to have you 100% of the time)..we’ll work with you as best as I can understanding potential conflicts further down the season.
Kudos to your coach.
If you are that worried about your future career then play Travel full time and you won’t let the “Second Stringers” or as upState calls them “lesser Players” down. These “second strigers” or “lesser players”also worked hard giving up a good portion of there summer and practicing everyday. Sorry they are not division one players just hard working high school kids.
The ‘missing players’ do not appear to be selfish at all.
Of course they could have remained with their TT/Premier/ECNL and skipped the HS team.
What good would that have done for the HS team ?
Nothing. Probably made them markedly weaker. Agree ?
They appear to be the unselfish ones. They are/were playing ‘double-duty’ trying to help both teams; but you can only be in one place at a time.
The ‘remaining & complaing parents’ are the ones that are truly being selfish !
“They” want the Championship & Trophy – and the want the ‘missing players’ to do nothing else and ‘go get it’ for them…my good friend – THAT is being selfish !
“lesser players”also worked hard giving up a good portion of there summer and practicing everyday.
Some day instead of telling their kids they were State Champions they can tell them “I Played with that girl who played division 1 college”
REAL athletes want to play.
***Most of who ?
ECNL team ?
Either way – what’s your point ?
UpState justify it any way you want walking out on your team is BS!!
Upstate – You covered a lot of ground but you nailed it. The successful will always be held back by those who lag behind. Maybe a look at the NYSPHSAA Handbook, pg 27, will help. The first objective says it all.
GENERAL OBJECTIVES OF THE NEW YORK STATE
PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION, INC.
The Association serves as a central organization through
which member schools in the state may cooperate to:
*Encourage as many pupils as possible to participate in athletic games.
*Promote sportsmanlike conduct in all athletic contests.
*Maintain essential minimum standards of eligibility.
*Provide means to settle disputed athletic contests amicably and
*Conduct appropriate athletic meets and tournaments.
*Cooperate with the State Education Department in fostering
educationally sound athletic programs.
*Adapt rules governing sports contests to the particular conditions for
*Continually seek data to support rules changes leading to greater safety
for school athletes.
Nothing about cult like loyalty to a team
Go here for the whole handbook: http://www.nysphsaa.org/handbook/pdf/Handbook1214.pdf
SHUTUP. All of you are so annoying, none of you are playing a sport right now, your daughters are. I don’t care if you played in the premier leagues back in your day, shut up and let the girls do what they want to do. So immature.
All of us shutting up would defeat the purpose of the blog. Maybe you could let us know who is only mildly annoying and they could continue.
upstate , again you drag me into this – the players we are talking about were not instrumental at all in the teams success. it would have been ok if they missed the whole game , but coming up and then leaving during the game , sending the message that the game was not important ,was not right I am all for high level athletics , but this game they went to was not bigger than the game they left. I also know that paying for college is tough because i graduated from the school of hard knocks only to have athletics pave the way for me to be some what of a successful person by giving me the ablity to go to a great university. I understand every thing you guys are saying and agree with alot , but on this one day in question bad values were taught. sports is also about learning life lessons which we can bring into our adult years after the playing is over. upstate , keep your passion about your sport , get your A license and teach the sport to kids. lets just agree to disagree.
BOTTOM LINE ON THIS SUBJECT IS:
1) When a girl goes out for the Varsity Team (no matter what the sport), the Coach needs to ask them UPFRONT, if they are willing to commit to practice and play with the Varsity HS Team throughout the ENTIRE High School Season, no matter what. If they say YES, then they, if they make their High School Team, then they are ON the Varsity Team. If the girl says that she is playing on either an Elite, Travel, ECNL, or whatever you want to call it “CLUB TEAM”, and with such might not be able to commit 100% to the High School Team, then, NO MATTER HOW GOOD THE GIRL MAY BE, that Coach should NOT allow the girl to play on the High School Team, NO MATTER WHAT.
2) Yes, the girls (Student Athlete) has the right to choose the direction that she wishes to take, be it playing on that “CLUB/TRAVEL Team” or the “High School Team” But she should not be allowed to have it both ways, to make it a situation that makes it BEST for the “INDIVIDUAL. It shouldn’t matter whether or not the girl is a 8th Grader or a 12th Grader. MAKE THE CHOICE AND LIVE WITH IT ‘BEFORE THE SEASON STARTS”
3) Sadly, in today’s age of SPECIALIZATION, Parents get involve with this whole mess and in MANY CASES, force the Coach to allow the girl to play on the High School Team, while playing CLUB/ELITE/TRAVEL Ball, because the parents want to ‘Maximize” the experience playing in that specific sport, solely to benefit the PLAYER and not necessarily the TEAM. Many highly qualified, experienced, and long tenured high school coaches, recently, have been FIRED or have QUIT Coaching High School Ball, because they have taken a stand against this, to their respective School Boards, and have been OVER-RULED.
In Summary, I believe that eventually, with School Athletic Budgets shrinking down to nothing, CLUB/TRAVEL ball will take the place of High School Athletics. Girls (and Boys) will PAY to PLAY and sadly, some who are not on that “Elite Level” talent wise, but just want an opportunity to be part of a team, during their high school days, will not be provided that opportunity. It will end up being a group of teams, who will “FIGHT” over the recruitment of girls (and boys) to play on their “Elite” Team, with the process getting uglier and uglier. Egos of Coaches and Parent will become CENTER STAGE and the era will end up being called the “ME ERA” vs. the “TEAM ERA”
BOTTOM LINE SUMMARY – Let the girls go play on their club (ECNL) teams, if that is what they want to do. Let the girls who want to play and represent their High School, play on their respective High School Teams. BUT DON’T ALLOW THE TWO TO MIX – PERIOD !!!
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